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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 12, 2012 7:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

I agree with what has been said below, that the jams are further evolved by 73, and that the E72 tour sill benefits from the 71 tightening up . Even without Pig, 72 "normal songs" have more impact than in 73-74 . I knew going into it, that the hardest part would be hearing shows night to night, that an element of sameness could creep in from one show to another . Forced me to listen carefully for the differences . But you listen to a bunch of 73 shows in a row, and you have the same problem ( you hear the same Weir songs ever show, for-instance ). It is not till later in their career that they try not to repeat anything from night to night . Europe 72 still stacks up as one of their great tours, and I am glad to have the whole thing . Again, my only caveat would be the decision to pull Keith back, just a tad too far for my taste .
The Spring 90 box is less impressive . I understand they didn't (rightfully) think people would fork out for the whole tour (plus they have already put out some of this), so they tried something different . I'm not sure it hangs together . One odd aspect of this is you get some unrepresentative repeats (4 Picasso Moons , I think) and some strange absences , not Throwing Stones, in and era where we got sick of it . The sound is great , it's just this is not an era I am as into right now ( highlights for 91 are more interesting, at the moment ) . But part of this is overexposure , since the days after the shows, I might get the tapes , and the various c., and dvd releases have kept this era in our face .
Am I glad I bought it ? Yes, . Will I be going back and playing the whole thing in a row ? No ( that also applies to the E72 box ) .

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 12, 2012 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

I very much prefer the later half of 72',but certainly don't find the Europe shows less complex or the 73' shows more complex.There is wealth of top notch second set material from the Europe shows.

-Other One-
4/7 4/11 5/10 5/13 5/24

-Dark Star-
4/24 4/29 5/11 5/18 (all-time version)

-Caution-
4/17 4/29

-Jam into Morning Dew 5/26-

These along with a couple of Truckin's and some nice embryonic versions of Playin' fill out what would prove to be an impressive catalog of their more challenging material for any time period of their career.While later 72' had more jam related material to draw from with Playin' being fleshed out to a full blown improvisation piece,Bird Song being re-introduced,and Keith having 20-30 more shows under his belt,I don't see how the music is more complex.If the late 72'-73' stuff is more complex than the say late 71'-Europe shows,where does that leave the 69'-70' era? Two of the cornerstones of their improv material came to fruition in that era,where do they fall out on the complexity scale?
73' offers a different version of the band with a wealth of new material and a seemingly reinvigorated take on the song portion of the catalog which definitely impacted the jam material.The new jam material Eyes,Here Comes Sunshine and WRS are tightly scripted pieces with jam sections built in that generally don't vary all that much from playing to playing.As for Dark Star,O1 and Playin' they are very varied on any given night in any era so I don't see how complexity enters the picture.The Dark Star's from 6/7/69 or 7/18/72 or the O1 from 9/28/72 have never been bettered by later versions,equaled surely,Dark Star from 12/6/73,the O1 from 6/26/73,point being I think of 72'-74' as one long complicated era,at no point is one part better,but just a matter of preference.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 13, 2012 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

Maybe 'complex' is the wrong word? Whatever the reason is for some people preferring July-Dec.'72 to the first half is the word I was looking for. (Wasn't trying to compare it to other eras, like '69 for example).
The subtlety, nuance,... dynamics.... of a piece like the Dark Star from 9/27/72 I don't hear in the Spring performances. The ensemble playing, the soloing, the way it can get so quiet, and at other times so raucous! Amazing stuff.
Spring '72 Dead to me is a good wine that needs to stay in the bottle just a bit longer to become great.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 13, 2012 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

Yeah Reade,I didn't understand what you meant by complex although I agree that the later 72' stuff had a different feel,I think that was just the band growing more familiar with themselves and their approach to the more out part of the repertoire since re-introducing it when Keith joined in late 71'.I'm with you in that the jams seem more developed and diverse and that is why it is my favorite period.I whole heartedly agree that the spring shows are over rated when compared to the volume and quality of great music the band played between July-December,there is simply no comparison.As for the 73'-74' era,it is full of brilliant stuff,but like LIA it lost a certain edge for me.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 13, 2012 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

The late-'72 jams are different...deeper, maybe, and sometimes more harrowing. I prefer the '72 style to the '73 style overall - I feel like some of the edge & energy had gone out, aside from the Tigers & feedback explorations. That's just a matter of preference (I don't think I prefer spring or fall '72 over each other, aside from missing Pigpen's material in the fall) - at any rate, I'd just point out that the Dead's style was always in transition, so I'm not sure the idea that they evolved to a single point of perfection holds up too well. ('69 is much less complex in the playing of course, but no less gripping for me!) '73 and '77 are just as transitional as other years, just lacking dramatic changes in membership. And there are things to love even in earlier, more embryonic pieces - the short fireball Playings of early '72 have a concentrated energy, for instance, that's missing in the longer, spacier versions.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Oct 12, 2012 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

Just to play devils advocate here,you say that hearing the same songs either by Weir or anyone is well monotonous.I agree if you the listener does it as a semi profession/hobby.Me I'm
thinking of those different crowds in entirely different
countries who for the most part have 0 idea what the Dead are
about and have no idea of any repetition going on.Me I personally can't afford the coin for something like that so I go back to the original and vol 2 and that's it as far as I go w/ E72.I still think the Lycem show w/ it's unbelievable set list wins out.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 12, 2012 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

"Me I personally can't afford the coin for something like that so I go back to the original and vol 2 and that's it as far as I go w/ E72.I still think the Lycem show w/ it's unbelievable set list wins out."

LW, don't know if you know but the Lyceum show is available at dead.net as a single-show purchase. I have and sounds fantastic but 72 discs from that late-era tour is more than I would want.

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Oct 13, 2012 2:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

Thanks.I didn't know and will check it out.Another great sounding show was Pembrook Pines and not the cd released abridged version.The WOS clarity was amazing and for me a stand out sonicly.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 12, 2012 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: has the novelty worn off ?

Even in this era of relatively repetitive shows (not like the later period, where they could do 5 nights with no repeated songs !), there is variety night to night . Most bands , to this day, have the same set list for a whole tour , or more . It is only because of our having all these show available that the repetition of certain songs, or routines (Pig's raps) become a slight irritant . One reason i deliberately mix up the eras , for my Dead listening, these boxes aside .